so maybe they thought if they nominate paul ryan they would be able to take advantage what they believe to be this massive culturally conservative white working-class voters in the state but again it doesn't seem to be happening. they are making some progress, some progress among current nine but it's not anywhere close to what's needed to take the state. so they're not able to sort of master the state in the face of this demographic change and support. florida is a state that lets face it is the romney campaign loses florida, their chances of winning the 2012 election are close to zero i think. and right now this point the obama campaign is running a little bit ahead in florida by several points, according to the latest polls. if we look at the pattern of support among groups like hispanics, we look at the patter of support among groups like the white working-class where again you see the best group for romney, mccain carried in by 17 points in 2008. we look at the breakout and we are not seeing any progress being made among these voters. we are not saying a noticeably bigger margin am